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beneverett · Flying Blind Joined: 22 Nov 2012 Posts: 17

I don't know myself, hopefully we will learn a little more in the coming days. If it is true, I'm very sad to see it end. Waid's run has had some very nasty things said about it on some of the boards, but I believe it's been marvelous (I think Matt publicly outing his secret ID was one of the bravest and best things that has happened to the book in a long time - I hope it isn't retconed later) and I'm keen on seeing what the future holds for DD. I am a bit wary of Marvel immediately shifting the book's tone to be more in line with the upcoming Netflix series; if that is their decision a gradual transition may work better. Although I wouldn't necessarily give the book up, I would really be very disappointed if the next team chooses to ignore this run in an effort to restore the status quo instead of actually building on it. But if this long rumored "Marvel reboot" thing actually happens, then I'm through.

Daredevil24 · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 06 Apr 2011 Posts: 367

Good riddance !It's the most overrated Daredevil run ever!It really tested me as a Daredevil fan!I will not be missing this one bit.I'm sure Marvel won't be pulling the silly stunt they did last time.We'll most likely get a tone to match the tv series.This announcement was the best Daredevil news since the announcement of the Netflix series.But then again anything is possible.

jriddle · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 129

WilsonFisk · Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:03 pm Post subject:

I think it's a sad day indeed that this run is ending. Yes, I know there are people on this board that will be overjoyed. First coming across this board was kind of fascinating, as it is literally the only collection of people anywhere - be it in real life, on social media, or on internet message boards, anywhere - where I've found anyone who doesn't love Mark Waid's Daredevil run. But really, I think a lot of these people are going to be disappointed if they think that this run is now going to be erased like a bad mistake. That would make no sense, given how the vast, vast majority of readers are absolutely in love with this run, and it has been highly successful. Yes, I see more of a move back towards a grittier crime aesthetic to put it in line with the TV show, but I don't see that as necessarily retconning Waid's run, which kept the core values of Daredevil as a character remarkably consistent, but just took the character in a different tonal direction.

And that's what's great about Daredevil as a character. He's diverse enough to work in a wide range of stories. There's no one way that the comic has to be, and people couldn't just keep giving us echoes of Bendis forever, the way people had been doing echoes of Miller for long after his run. I've said that Morrison's divisive Batman run will be vindicated by history, with people years from now recognising it as a classic even though many during the time of the actual run couldn't get past it being so different from what they'd typically expect from a Batman story. I'd say the same applies to Daredevil, but really it has much less of an uphill battle as most people already recognise its greatness.

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

Waid's run has been widely praised (except here, it seems) and I think he did a good thing reminding people that Daredevil doesn't have to be overwhelmingly depressing. One thing I disliked about Bendis's run (besides how it takes frickin' forever to get to anything happening) is that things spiraled downhill very quickly for Matt even in a situation nowhere near as extreme as what he went through in Born Again (he acknowledged it at the beginning that he was becoming a bit unraveled, but that was about it).

I think everyone (or almost everyone) is in agreement that Frank Miller is the model for Daredevil that everyone follows after. But I do think a lot of people forget that Miller's Daredevil was nowhere near that dark. I'll applaud Mark Waid for reminding everyone that Daredevil can be a bit lighter too. I hope they'll push the tone darker now, but remember that they don't have to push it over a cliff either.
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Jonny_Anonymous · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:19 am Post subject:

I for one am so happy Waid's run has come to an end. There is only so much directionless Spider-Man-light stories I can take.

Dimetre · Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:02 pm Post subject:

I think Mark Waid has proven himself to be one of my favourite Daredevil writers. I found Volume 3 to be fantastic. The quality has dipped in Volume 4, so I'm not that surprised he's leaving. He's been writing the book for a long time now.

I'd love to see what Nathan Edmondson would do with Daredevil. His Black Widow book is one of my favourite current series.

Francesco · Underboss Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 1307

I feel somewhat sad that Waid is leaving, even though I wasn't satisfied with the tone of his run.

jriddle · Playing to the Camera Joined: 19 May 2011 Posts: 129

WilsonFisk · Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 12:20 pm Post subject:

DesignDevil · Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:57 pm Post subject:

There's a lot of hyperbole being thrown around by people happy about Waid leaving and those disappointed.

Waid's run has been mostly good, but with more than a few instances of cheesy humor, out of character moments, and ignoring obvious and established repercussions for character actions. I've enjoyed it overall, but we've had four years of Waid. Its past time for someone else.

Waid's run is not a cancer, nor is it perfect. It has been critically acclaimed yes, but Bendis and Brubaker won Eisners for their runs too. Its not as if Waid brought DD back from some longstanding lull. It was just the end of Diggle's run where it all fell apart. In fact if you look at sales data, Daredevil has been trending downward in sales for a while. The only spikes have been for anniversary issues and the new #1. So Waid certainly has not returned Daredevil to any new heights of financial success.

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WilsonFisk · Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:13 pm Post subject:

DesignDevil · Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject:

"sales collapsing into oblivion to the worst they've been in decades upon decades."

More hyperbole. No one said sales had collapsed into oblivion, but they are down from the last decade. You don't have to go back to the booming 80s or 90s. The sales data is available on this very website. Bendis' run sold on average 50-60k a month. Brubaker's 40-50k a month, dipping down into the high 30s at the end. Diggle's and Waid's have sold around 35-40k each month, again with spikes for anniversary/specials and new #1s. If you wanna argue that the comic industry as a whole is suffering and trending downward, thats a fair point, but Waid has not increased sales overall. He absolutely has critical acclaim for his run, but he hasn't made it some great financial success.

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