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[Kuljit Mithra]

Please use this thread to discuss this episode and any relevant plot points that occurred prior to this one.

[Mike Murdock]

I love the jury voir dire. On the one hand, it sets out all the sides of the debate (without sugar coating it either). On the other hand, it shows how hard it is to get a juror who hasn't made up his mind already. If they can't get a jury that can't be excused for cause, it would be a mistrial (and it shows that, yes, New York City may have made up its mind, but that's why they need to move for a change of venue and go somewhere else). Also,Frank Castle shouldn't go in front of the jury wearing orange and handcuffs. Maybe he wanted it to be that way because it shows how much the state is trying to punish him for "helping the city", but a defendant has a right to wear court-appropriate clothing in front of a jury and it's clearly reversible error otherwise. The music in that scene is badass, though.

New York has a defense called "Extreme Emotional Disturbance." It's an affirmative defense, but it's broader than you were provoked into acting. If you can show this, you can turn murder into voluntary manslaughter. With all the stuff about PTSD, etc., it seems that's their best bet. I don't know if Frank would agree. I like the debate between Matt and Karen. Matt strongly believes that Frank deserves a fair trial (which he isn't getting), but he doesn't think Frank is right in what he did. Karen doesn't seem to agree. I like that the debate between the two positions continue. Daredevil isn't any more right than he was in episode three in this.

Much of my thought of this episode is "damn it Matt." Elektra comes off as fairly unlikeable because she's causing Matt to make stupid decisions. The trial is more important than everything else, but Elektra is ruining that. I hope he manages to come around because things are falling apart (and they didn't even get the mistrial for more time).

Four Stars.
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[Sciurid]

Does NY not have money to replace flags, or do they just not acknowledge Alaska and Hawaii? The flag in the courtroom has 48 stars.

[Dayle88]

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[james castle]

It's nice to see that the tv show is keeping with the proud tradition of completely ignoring how the law works.

When Matt gets up to cross examine the medical examiner the D.A. immediately objects to say that Matt is "leading the witness". Of course you're allowed to lead a witness during cross. In fact, some would say that that's the entire point of cross examination and that you should never, ever ask an open, non-leading question during cross.

Still enjoying the season but basically every time it turns to the law plot my head blows up.
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So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing?

[Mike Murdock]

Yeah, that made me wince too. I was OK with it since the Judge overruled the objection so I decided it was just Reyes being an idiot.
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[Dimetre]

Karen continues to be a stronger character than I have ever seen her be before in any medium. Her scenes with Frank prove her worth like never before.

Foggy's opening statement was impressive, but he has been fantastic this entire season so far.

It's hard to sympathize with Matt. The Castle case is obviously hugely important to the firm, but he is allowing Elektra to be a distraction. He's in a position to refuse her. He didn't have to be late for court for the opening statement. It's called an alarm clock. Obviously he's torn between his role as a vigilante and an attorney. It seems, right now, that the vigilante is winning out.

I liked the legal conflict between Matt and Karen in this episode. It goes to show who Matt is, and how strongly he clings to his principles. Odd then that Elektra has so much sway over him. There is obvious sexual tension remaining between them, but there is also no trust. Matt seems to be a rational man, and a strong man. He should be able to walk away. It's puzzling that he doesn't.

[Dave Wallace]