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Kuljit Mithra · Hardcore Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1530 Location: Canada

Please use this thread to discuss this episode and any relevant plot points that occurred prior to this one.

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

This may have been my favorite episode of the three so far. I love the exchange of philosophy. It's not black and white on either side, but both sides are articulated very well. It's back and forth too. Really, the episode can be described as 2/3 philosophy. With the client, I like that he's been set up for two episodes as a somewhat scummy guy but ultimately trying to do the right thing and start again. This episode we find out he's kind of done something horrible in the past. By setting him up with an understanding of the good things but keeping the bad things off screen, it's creating a drama in the debate of Daredevil vs. Punisher. Most of all, I like that it's a debate. They're two sides of a coin, not the same side.

The fight at the end must be the one they described in the
spoiler-free reviews. I don't think it's as good as last year, but
it's still really good. There's a ferocity that keeps going and
doesn't stop. I have no idea how they pulled it off. I loved it.

Five Stars.
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Dayle88 · Playing to the Camera Joined: 25 Mar 2015 Posts: 140

Great episode and I thought the fight scene was one of the best action scenes I've ever seen. I don't think they should have compared it to the hallways scene though. Nobody had ever really done anything like it so it was such a spectacle. The fight in this one showed how far he's come while keeping the spirit.

Loved Matt's huge grin as he pulled the trigger to confirm the gun was empty. It sums up the entire discussion they have on the roof top.

james castle · Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:39 pm Post subject:

Dayle88 · Playing to the Camera Joined: 25 Mar 2015 Posts: 140

Your right. Completely forgot about that, I've been getting pretty caught up in enjoying it all. I guess the grin was just from the idea that he'd ever use a gun like he was taking it for a spin to see how it'd feel as a little joke to himself.

Sciurid · Flying Blind Joined: 20 Mar 2016 Posts: 21

Random thoughts on this episdoe:

I could watch several episodes of Matt & Frank arguing on a rooftop. So well-acted by both actors, though it seems Charlie Cox still sounds English when he tries to be angry as Matt.

I love Foggy talking down idiots in the ER.

I love Frank calling Matt "Red."

They're continuing with the "Matt gets knocked out and has a childhood flashback" theme. I'm not sure this one worked as well as the ones with his father last season; it didn't tie in to the story as well, I don't think, unless they were going some sort of vague, self-sacrifical, no killing theme. If anyone has insight here, I'd like to hear why this is the place to introduce Maggie (presumably).

It was a pretty good take on the "Frank ties up DD and tapes a gun to his hand." I've always insisted that if it had been a DD book, he wouldn't have taken the shot.

That said, why did Frank really put a bullet in the chamber? Was he that sure that DD wouldn't kill him, or was he okay with dying? Was he sure DD would kill Grotto? Why did DD pull the trigger again in the hallway? And then giggle? Just co confirm that Frank was telling the truth about the 1 round in the chamber?

One-shot fight v. 2.0 was good. It wasn't as awesome as last season's, possibly because it wasn't as unexpected or as desperate.

obiwan570 · Flying Blind Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 32

DD skill set would tell him there is only one bullet in the gun just by holding it. He was probably smiling from the adrenalin rush he was about to get from the fun he was about to have with those goons

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

Sciurid · Flying Blind Joined: 20 Mar 2016 Posts: 21

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

Good Guys Wear Red (DD #184)

(sorry if it stretches the page a bit).
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Sciurid · Flying Blind Joined: 20 Mar 2016 Posts: 21

I still think this season's childhood flashback is kind of forced in the narrative, but something I didn't notice is that the nun's advice/command to Matt was the exact opposite of what Jack told him.

Still don't know why Frank actually loaded the gun in this version.

rgj · Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:26 pm Post subject:

The stairway fight was so amazing. I didn't think they could top the hallway fight from last year. I hope they do one every year in a different setting.
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Dimetre · Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:31 pm Post subject:

The stairwell fight was indeed spectacular. The fight choreographers on this show are ambitious and top notch. They should get an award.

Foggy Nelson is absolutely amazing this season. That speech he gave in the emergency room was the stuff of which actor's dream. Could this be the greatest portrayal of Foggy Nelson in any medium ever?

This episode, for me, was marred by an overly prolonged argument scene. Long-time Daredevil fans are very familiar with the philosophical differences between Daredevil and the Punisher. We've heard the argument over and over. In this episode, I felt the argument went on way past the point it stopped being interesting. It honestly felt padded, as if it was filling airtime between Foggy and Karen scenes.

I'm still enjoying the show, and the stairwell fight sure picked the episode up, but the overly long argument was something any showrunner should have suggested trimmed.

Dave Wallace · Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:01 am Post subject:

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

Me too. That was the highlight to me. It emphasizes the philosophical differences between the two characters, which is fundamental to the dynamic.
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