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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

Has the Kingpin's empire been permanently destroyed? Fisk is now in prison, with no resources, no influence and not many allies left, surrounded by enemies and he has been shot, how can the Kingpin recover from all that?

Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

Just how many Kingpin stories have you read? Razz

Kingpin may be the most resourceful person in the Marvel Universe.
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DDmikeMN · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:58 pm Post subject:

Is Mrs. Fisk in jail? Isn't she in Europe? Isn't Matt going to Europe? Uh, oh.
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james castle · Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2006 2:10 pm Post subject:

Fisk's empire never really recovered after Last Rites. It seemed like any time a writer wanted to use him they'd have one issue where they'd be like "well Kingpin has sort of rebuilt his empire somehow" and then have it knocked down again. It's been a long, long time since Kingpin has been the omnipresent force that he once was (which is too bad since the character works best as an actually Kingpin as opposed to a kinda boss like thug dude).
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Forrest · Lowlife Joined: 07 Dec 2004 Posts: 1439

Last Rites! Chichester is the most underrated comic book writer ever! Cool

Sorry, I'l go back to work, now. Razz

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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

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The Privateer · Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 2:05 am Post subject:

Of course he will re-establish it, there's still the usual rackets to be had, prostitution, drugs, gun running, racketeering, protection etc, there will always be the same scared people that he can lean on, there will always be the same bosses in place that he can manipulate or black mail into something. All it needs is a few gangs to stand by him, people get scared and it is rebuilt again.

Some of the gangs would like the protection of the King-pin, they know what they are going to get, instead of the current gang-warfare for the open turf, they want a good screw and regularity. If he wanted to, he could do quite easily. All it would take would be bully boy tactics, find a strong powerful gang boss, beat him to a pulp, watch as everyone is in awe as he has taken down one of the biggest players, then take control of his gang, it starts from there.

People will always want the stuff that King-pin peddles, there is always a market for it and there is always need for a king-pin to boss it all. He will return, if not someone else will be filling his void for him, and boy with the size of him, what a void!!
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daredevil99x · Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject:

The Kingpin will rise again. He's always able to make a comeback, and this time will be no different.
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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

Stephan · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 303

Wilson Fisk, in my estimation, is an integral part of the DD mythos. He is more than simply a DD antagonist, more than an implacable foe. He is Matt's nemesis. Fisk's trials and tribulations are a fundamental component of this comic. Am I suggesting that Fisk must appear in every issue? Of course not. But his appearances should be more frequent than that of other adversaries.

And Fisk is perhaps the most tenacious character in the annals of comic history. DD Vol. #1 #340 (among my favorite Kingpin appearances) illustrates this. Bereft of his empire, reduced to "Inveigle's Auto Yard," Fisk is nonetheless supremely confident and self-assured. He has no doubt that he will once again ascend to the throne. And neither should you...

james castle · Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject:

Well said Stevie.
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rgj · Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject:

jc is absolutley right. The last time Fisk had a real stronghold on his empire was LAST RITES. And, that was the greatest "Matt takes down Fisk" story ever. KP's return to power during Parts of a Hole/Underboss was rushed and his hold on the empire was tenuous at best. Throw in going blind and it really, just didn't work.

Stephen is right. Like it, or not, Fisk is an important component to this series. He's as important as Satan in the Bible. We need his darkness to contrast Matt's light. Instead of putting KP on the shelf (although a brief rest wouln't be unwelcomed) how about Brubaker SHOW us Kingpin rise to true power once again. After all, in a way, he is going to show us Matt's return.

rgj

The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

Stephan · Humanity's Fathom Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 303

Former DD scribe D.G. Chicester supposedly contemplated a radical change for Wilson Fisk: transforming him into a gang member, a hoodlum with his own "posse," so to speak. Would any of you welcome such a change? Karl Kesel, meanwhile, once proposed that Matt become an office-holder, perhaps a city councilman or mayor. What a riveting story that would be - Murdock, the public servant, waging a valiant struggle (in both his guises) against Fisk, the thug and racketeer!

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