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Daredevil Battling Jack Murdock #3
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james castle
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:58 pm    Post subject: Daredevil Battling Jack Murdock #3 Reply with quote

Sigh, I should read this just so my comments about it are vaguely legit. That aside, the preview for number 3 makes it appear that Jack has something he shouldn't. Is this really a good series? So far the very little I know about it just seems sloppy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Daredevil Battling Jack Murdock #3 Reply with quote

james castle wrote:
...the preview for number 3 makes it appear that Jack has something he shouldn't.

From the previews, (Possible spoilers to follow in speculation) I gather that you either refer to A) the gilded cross Jack is holding? or B) the woman who seems to be a ladyfriend of Jack's?

Option B doesn't seem extremely unearthy to me... why not? There could perfectly be someone else in Jack's life beyond Matt and Maggie... And Jack and the woman could be on "just friends" terms.

Personally, I'll certainly check this series. For one, Giandomenico's art and storytelling strikes me as very good, and even if it doesn't seem to add anything significantly new about old Jack (i.e.: he was a fighter and taught Matt not to surrender), it doesn't seem to be too intrusive with previously established facts.

My two cents only. For I know that I won't convince you Wink You're right if you believe that you shouldn't spend your money in a story that you don't warm to: it is the first right of a comics reader and one that maybe isn't exercised as often as it should (otherwise we should get better stuff from publishers -or maybe not?)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's option A that's the problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaah...

Well, option A he could get from any pawn shop or jewelry store Rolling Eyes it looks like a plain, standard model
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sigh. I can never tell when you're kidding.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey!.. I was serious... well, sort of, anyway Cool

Though the real answer is that we cannot tell for certain until we read the issue. So far is all speculation from pages with no text at all
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My point was that it's obviously the cross from Born Again. The one that Maggie gave to Matt. What the hell is Jack doing with it? If it's just another gold cross (as Gloria ridiculously suggested it might be) that's even worse.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gloria wrote:
Aaah...

Well, option A he could get from any pawn shop or jewelry store Rolling Eyes it looks like a plain, standard model


That sucks. If I had to wear a cross, I'd go with the one worn by Bullet in Decalogue, part one.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james castle wrote:
My point was that it's obviously the cross from Born Again. The one that Maggie gave to Matt.

Mmmh. Maggie's cross should be worn by Maggie. Maybe a continuity bloop?

Unless Maggie had given it to Jack... but then it might mean that she took it back at, huh, some point (and that sounds a wee gruesome).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gloria wrote:
james castle wrote:
My point was that it's obviously the cross from Born Again. The one that Maggie gave to Matt.

Mmmh. Maggie's cross should be worn by Maggie. Maybe a continuity bloop?

Unless Maggie had given it to Jack... but then it might mean that she took it back at, huh, some point (and that sounds a wee gruesome).


Have you read Born Again? Maggie gives the cross to Matt when he's in the hospital. Right after he's blinded.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james castle wrote:
Have you read Born Again? Maggie gives the cross to Matt when he's in the hospital. Right after he's blinded.

Honest, that's what I thought... But then I went to check my copy before posting... and it wasn't as I remembered it.

And as I'm reading it, in "Born Again" when Matt is blinded, a woman's voice conforts him, he rises his hand and touches the cross, but when he is ill with fever at the mission, that cross is hanging from Maggie's neck: that's how matt identifies her as the woman who visited him at the hospital back when he lost his sight.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gloria wrote:
james castle wrote:
Have you read Born Again? Maggie gives the cross to Matt when he's in the hospital. Right after he's blinded.

Honest, that's what I thought... But then I went to check my copy before posting... and it wasn't as I remembered it.

And as I'm reading it, in "Born Again" when Matt is blinded, a woman's voice conforts him, he rises his hand and touches the cross, but when he is ill with fever at the mission, that cross is hanging from Maggie's neck: that's how matt identifies her as the woman who visited him at the hospital back when he lost his sight.


Wow, sorry. You're right. I'll just slink away now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw, no... I must excuse myself if I sounded too nitpicky: Reading comics is, after all, about having fun, and we might be make it seem like the subject of a Cartesian argument.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much better!

I liked this issue much more than the last 2. In this one we see Jack making choices, for better or worse, rather than just being a bum. His interaction with Josie in particular makes her presence in the mini more than just a cute reference. Matt helping him out pre-fight is a new bit, and I don't know if it is necessary, but it provides for a meaningful embrace by the fridge.

I wish it would have dropped the scene with Maggie though... I just find her so WEIRD in this mini.

But will it take a dive in the next round?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still have mixed feelings over the first three chapters.

Like jc, I'm not really understanding Maggie's logic. And, I'm also not understanding the Sisterhood time line.

I mean, she's a nun when she brings Jack the child. Matt has to be less than a year, maybe closer to six months. It's pretty obvious that Jack is nuts about Maggie. Why wouldn't she just marry Jack? (At least that would be the logical thing, based on what the writer has put forth: Jack seems to love and want to be with Maggie).

Also, it's obvious Maggie wasn't a nun when she gave birth (which would have been a BETTER story--along with conceiving the baby). How long does it take to become a nun?? Then again, maybe it's as simple as signing your name for all I know.

Overall, the story doesn't completely suck (like DD:Father did). But, it could have been so much better.

I don't really like that Jack (in this mini) characterizes his son as "weak." Matt obviously had time to show his father that his blindness wasn't going to break him-without giving away his senses. If it's about his blindess Jack would have characterized his son as "handicapped", not "weak".

Surely Jack doesn't think his son is "weak" because he doesn't fight. That would be absurd because it is Jack, himself, who insisted Matt not fight.

I have a REAL PROBLEM with this writer characterizing Jack as thinking that his son, who didn't let blindness stop him from getting into college and studying law, is "weak."

I also think it's kind of contrived that Matt is being Dardevilish so soon; looking out for his father before the big fight. Not really necessary. Matt didn't wear masks until his father was killed. This story has Matt already going the hero direction WITHOUT Jack's death. Again, not necessary.

Lastly, Chapter 3 ends with Jack ready to throw the fight because he wants to protect his "weak" son. And, there seems to be, as jc fears, another motivation that will transpire to have Jack win the fight. Traditionally, it has been Jack wanting to make his son proud of him. And, for himself, not allowing anyone to manipulate him--to own him. He basically commited suicide for these reasons. His principles--good thing to die for, no?

But, now, what will make Jack change his mind between the start of the fourth round and the knock out punch? Is Marvel actually going to change Jack's motivation?? Don't let it be something stupid and formulaic like Josie telling him that she put everything she has on him to win (eventhough she knows he is going to throw the fight--kind of like forcing him to win for her). That would suck.

This last chapter will tell if I will praise this mini or come down on it hard like Joey Q on a meatball sandwich.

Serously, I have mixed feelings right now. The fact that Maggie has been simplified to a religious nut doesn't help either.

This story would have been so much better had they gone with the pregnant nun idea. The sisters hiding the pregnancy and then telling Maggie to give up the baby for adoption (but, instead, she gives him to Jack). The pain of giving up Matt as a penance for breaking her vow to God (for heaven's sake there is almost no remorse in abandoning Matt in this mini, all she can think is "Oh, God, we sinned!!!"). See, at least here Maggie would have already had a comitment to God and her vocation when she "sinned". Instead they make Maggie all nuts cause she had sex (what is this? the 1950s??).

Anyway, let's see what the last chapeter brings.

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