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Francesco
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 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: "The pain!" (All Star Batman & Robin #9) |
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Frank Miller, celebrated writer of the "Born Again saga" and "Batman:Year One", writes his "Goddamn Batman" as a seriously disturbed freak who paints himself and an entire apartment yellow in order to face Hal Jordan.
http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/5042819.html
(I decline responsibilty for any brain damage you might incur by clicking on the above link) |
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Dave Wallace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Madness or genius? 
Personally, I'm still leaning towards madness on this one - although ASBARTBW #8 did make me think that Miller maybe has a plan for the book after all.
Maybe that's more down to me hoping that it will all make sense at some point, though. |
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Gloria
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Francesco... What have you done?
You might have interested me back in Miller's view of Batman!
Sure, it's sort of deranged, but it's one of the funniest things I've read in weeks! Funnier, in fact, than DK2 (which i felt so overbrought a satire that I didn't find amusing at all)
But this was really so... RMLAO-ish! It's almost like Miller is leading his ultra Grim&Gritty Batman back to the Bob Kane days.
If we have the BatMite in the next issue I swear I'll suscribe! 
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Francesco
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Apparently I'm not the only one who loves to use the complete acronym (ASBARTBW) to puzzle his friends .
Anyway, yes. It has been said many times. It's so crazy that in the end manages to be entertaining in a hilarious sort of way.
And I love how Batman envies Hal because of the power ring (it's the second time that, via captions, it's said that Batman can't stand the fact that Hal uses the ring to create oversized common objects). |
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Gloria
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| Francesco wrote: | | And I love how Batman envies Hal because of the power ring (it's the second time that, via captions, it's said that Batman can't stand the fact that Hal uses the ring to create oversized common objects). |
Which is so... disturbingly... Freudian!!
Again, I am among those who thinks that Miller's peaks were his early DD (First Run plus Born Again) and Batman (Year One and Dark Knight 1)... I've been increasingly disappointed with 300 and everything afterwards, but... I start to have the feeling that he might be onto something new right now, something that we won't see until we can gaze at it from the right perspective...
(hum, yes, in spite of the Vicky vale moments in riské pink underwear so-the-boys-can-have-his-moment-in-the-toilet: sorry, but I don't warm to the Milo Manara school -i.e. comics as a substitute of Playboy's double spreads-)
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Dave Wallace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Gloria wrote: | | Which is so... disturbingly... Freudian!! |
If you want Freudian, you should reread some of the comments that Batman makes about Robin during the inner monologue on those preview pages. 
| Gloria wrote: | | Again, I am among those who thinks that Miller's peaks were his early DD (First Run plus Born Again) and Batman (Year One and Dark Knight 1)... |
I agree. See also Ronin and Sin City, which I think are pretty great too.
| Gloria wrote: | | I've been increasingly disappointed with 300 and everything afterwards, but... I start to have the feeling that he might be onto something new right now, something that we won't see until we can gaze at it from the right perspective... |
I'd really like to think so, but at this point, I'm just hoping Miller can make it fun and have the book eventually make some sort of sense, at least.
| Gloria wrote: | | (hum, yes, in spite of the Vicky vale moments in riské pink underwear so-the-boys-can-have-his-moment-in-the-toilet: sorry, but I don't warm to the Milo Manara school -i.e. comics as a substitute of Playboy's double spreads-) |
Yeah, that moment in the first issue was a bit over-the-top. Lee seems to have toned it down (a little, anyway) since then - although I don't know if you ever saw the script for that scene, but Miller did explicitly call for a T&A-focused montage of panels, so it's as much down to the writer as the artist in this case. |
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Gloria
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| Dave Wallace wrote: | | Gloria wrote: | | Which is so... disturbingly... Freudian!! |
If you want Freudian, you should reread some of the comments that Batman makes about Robin during the inner monologue on those preview pages. |
Actually, yes... a lot of thoughts came to me regarding that inner dialogue, specially considering all the things that have been said about Batman and Robin in their long history... But then I didn't mention them, thinking that this board might be visited by kids, and I wouldn't like to shock them 
| Dave Wallace wrote: | | I agree. See also Ronin and Sin City, which I think are pretty great too. |
You're right! I forgot "Ronin", which is a personal favourite! It didn't have the grand reviews when it was published, but I thik that it was a very daring work of FM, and worth of being re-visited and reivindicated.
Re Sin City... I don't like it in its entirety, but some of the sagas I consider to be very good... (though not as gripping as Born Again or Batman Year One... in fact, one of the things I like about Brubaker's Criminal is how well it catches the noir atmosfere, which is one of the greatest accomplishments of Miller & Mazz in Year one: I liked it to be focused on Gordon as much as it was in Wayne)
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Dave Wallace
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that Sin City can be a bit hit and miss - but when it's good, it's very very good.
And yeah, Brubaker's Criminal is great too. I recently got hold of the second TPB, and Frank Miller has written an introduction for it. He had some very kind words to say about the book. |
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Neilan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Dave Wallace wrote: | | Gloria wrote: | | Again, I am among those who thinks that Miller's peaks were his early DD (First Run plus Born Again) and Batman (Year One and Dark Knight 1)... |
I agree. See also Ronin and Sin City, which I think are pretty great too. |
Ronin didn't quite measure up, for me. I read it for the first time, about 6 months ago and I don't know if it was because I read it so many years after its release that it took the edge off what may have been ground-breaking, in its day, or if it was because I wasn't very fond of Miller's art. I do know that I find the writing style of sloowly filling the reader in as to what is really happening, can be hit or miss, with me, and in this case, I didn't find the big reveal all that compelling. Again, it could be that when this first came out, it was cutting edge and that by now there have been so many rip-offs/homages that it made it seem a bit bland to me. I guess I better give it another read.
On the other hand, I recently read Give Me Liberty and thought it was fantastic. It raised some thought provoking questions, that are perhaps even more pertinent today, while being extremely entertaining. What do you guys think of that work?
| Quote: | | And yeah, Brubaker's Criminal is great too. |
I'm definitely in agreement there. I'm very much looking forward to today's issue. The big question is which great Bru title to read 1st, after DD of course, Cap or Criminal. I just hope Mr. Brubaker doesn't take on any more new titles, or I may have to get a 2nd job.
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Dave Wallace
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| I've never read any of Miller's Martha Washington series, so if anyone has any comments on that I'd be interested to read them. |
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Gloria
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For me it is the best of Miller's work in the last years: Dave Gibbons gives his usual best in the art department, and manages to "straighten" the craziest of Miller's ideas: he really makes the whole story believable
The story is about the survival of Martha Washington, born a poor black woman, who struggles against all odds to have a future... or just remain alive.
Set in al alternate historic scenario, the story satirizes the politics and the military. The "Pax" corps in teh comic even echoes some current situations in the real world, IMHO.
Try the "Give me liberty" story first: the following ones are not as good as the first but good enough.
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Dave Wallace
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks Gloria, I might have to pick up a copy. |
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Neilan
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Gloria wrote: | For me it is the best of Miller's work in the last years: Dave Gibbons gives his usual best in the art department, and manages to "straighten" the craziest of Miller's ideas: he really makes the whole story believable
The story is about the survival of Martha Washington, born a poor black woman, who struggles against all odds to have a future... or just remain alive.
Set in al alternate historic scenario, the story satirizes the politics and the military. The "Pax" corps in teh comic even echoes some current situations in the real world, IMHO.
Try the "Give me liberty" story first: the following ones are not as good as the first but good enough. |
I second everything that Gloria says. Gibbons art is exquisite. The political satire fits today's world, especially in the U.S., even more now, than when it was written. The 1st series, Give Me Liberty, is by far the best in the Martha series, although the sequels were still entertaining.
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harryhausen
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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I call genius on this one. ASBaRtBW (are you guys feeling the cases in the complete acronym?) is going to prove to be great. I think I know where it's headed and I believe in it. Plus, I'm really shocked about all the outcry on this. It seems to fit neatly into Miller's Dark Knight Universe and will likely provide key info when taken in context with the other three volumes.
Anyways, it's about the best-looking book out there. And the voices of the characters are spot-on. It kills anything else that I buy the week it comes out. (Sorry, DD#105!)
I think it's great. I'll bet the hc/tpb will be a mind-blower. No ads, no DELAYS, and a quick read will put this one in the pantheon. |
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Dave Wallace
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| harryhausen wrote: | | No ads, no DELAYS, and a quick read will put this one in the pantheon. |
Is being "a quick read" a good thing? |
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