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jumonji Guardian Devil

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 636 Location: Too close to the Arctic circle
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: Could Echo be a Skrull? |
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At least according to a theory by one Marvel fan...
So I was reading up on Secret Invasion today (since I want to have some kind of clue about what's happening in the Marvel U and whether this "big event" is worth checking out or not). A series of clicks away from Wikipedia's Secret Invasion page I ended up reading some theory someone had about Echo being a Skrull. Based on what? Well according to this guy, the number of conversations she seems to be having in various books while facing away from the speaker (which I noticed quite a bit of in Parts of a Hole as well...) has lead some fans to suspect that she might be a Skrull. It's either that or the artists are goofing up over and over again. The latter reason sounds much more plausible to me, but if Marvel wants to retcon away a deaf woman apparently hearing quite well, here's their chance.
Hmmm, come to think of it, that would also explain DD seeing that painting of Deathstalker's mother back in the day. It wasn't really him, it was a Skrull. Now, where's my No-Prize? _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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blacktyphoid Playing to the Camera
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: Could Echo be a Skrull? |
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jumonji wrote: | Hmmm, come to think of it, that would also explain DD seeing that painting of Deathstalker's mother back in the day. It wasn't really him, it was a Skrull. Now, where's my No-Prize? |
Yeah. Yeah! It would also explain why, in the 1971 issue of Daredevil vol. 1 #77 page 6 panel 4 that guest starred Spider-Man, Mary Jane Watson's hair was coloured blonde instead of red. That was because it really wasn't Mary Jane, it was a Skrull. You'd never come to that stunning conclusion if you stuck exclusively to collecting Spider-Man comics - no way! Marvel was too clever for that! The only way to determine that MJ was a Skrull was to pick up a non-Spider-Man comic, in this case Daredevil, in which Spidey guest-starred, and notice that her hair was purposely coloured wrong. What a beautifully delicious clue. Conspiracy theorists take note: For almost four decades Marvel's been secretly and meticulously planting clues about a Skrull invasion that have only come to light now. Now that I'm finally on to it, I'm killing myself for not noticing that glaring MJ clue thirty years ago!
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james castle Devil in Cell-Block D
Joined: 30 Jul 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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I think MJ is a Skrull but doesn't remember it after OMD (but kind of does in a way that makes the Devil happy (?)). _________________ JC
So why can't you see the funny side?
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harryhausen Playing to the Camera
Joined: 20 Apr 2007 Posts: 129 Location: U$A
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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I’m not sure (of course), but I think Echo will prove to not be a Skrull.
I realize that looking too closely at these things is inadvisable (but, hey, Bendis is inviting us to do it, so …)… In NA, we’ve seen lots of Echo while she’s alone where she’s acting as Echo would be expected to act while alone. No secret Skrull communications, no alien sword-sharpening. Also, and most importantly, Echo was killed by “Elektra” (and didn’t turn into a Skrull) and resurrected by the Hand; she then killed the Skrull who was posing as Elektra. If she’s a Skrull, she can only have been one for a few days (weeks?) and it would seem further unlikely that two Skrull imposters are killing one another instead of working together. Taken as a whole, I think she’s one of the least likely characters to be a Skrull. Plus, why would the Skrulls want to impersonate Echo? She’s not really a power-broker in the MU, you know?
As to the deafness issue: I think it’s been art mistakes. On several occasions, she is shown to not know what people she can’t see are saying until she’s told (the most recent issue exhibits this when she asks Clint Barton what Spiderman [still in mask and/or facing away] is saying). I think that this has been handled right more often that wrong. Besides, I think it’s more likely an overworked artist would make that mistake than a trained Skrull imposter!
More interesting to me has been the (really annoying) use of thought balloons in the (really annoying) Mighty Avengers book. I don’t know if it will pan out, but I have this theory that any character who has been shown to be thinking something like, ‘uh, weird costume’ or ‘is he okay?’ (or similar sarcastic, Seinfeldian nonsense that I can do without from my heroes) can’t be a Skrull. A Skrull wouldn’t care about most of the team living/dying or even stopping Doom or Ultron. Wouldn’t a Skrull just be thinking something like: “I can’t wait until these ugly monkeys are purged from the planet to which we have a divine right!!!” |
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Pete Fall From Grace
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 417 Location: Liverpool, UK
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: Re: Could Echo be a Skrull? |
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blacktyphoid wrote: | That was because it really wasn't Mary Jane, it was a Skrull. You'd never come to that stunning conclusion if you stuck exclusively to collecting Spider-Man comics - no way! Marvel was too clever for that!
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Yeah, but they're not always so clever. Some (not all) people have heard that in his very first appearance, The Hulk was actually grey. Yep, grey. Only in the second issue he suddenly turns up green, with no word of explination. Now in the light of recent observations, it's obvious. The 'Hulk' actually only lasted for one issue before being abducted and replaced by a Skrull. 'Ol' Greenskin' is just a label, a piece of Skrull propaganda to hide the obvious fact.
It gets worse. Why did the Fantastic Four suddenly decide in #3 to get themselves a nice set of matching costumes? Nobody even mentions the word 'costume' in the first two issues. What happened after issue #2 to suddenly see 'em in matching blue outfits with a cutesy '4' emblazoned on the chests?
The answer lies in #2 itself. Who are the real, genuine costumeless FF actually up against? Yep, The Skrulls Themselves!! In their first ever appearence in the MU the Skrulls (in a tale never told) actually defeat the fledgling FF and replace 'em. This all happens a few months before Hulk#2.
It doesn't stop there. isn't it a tad worrying that DD himself suddenly turns up in an all-red affair in #7? What happened to the original 'yellow'? Personally, I suspect further Skrull infiltration, and I'm afraid to say we've been buying a book all these years where the main protagonist is actually an evil alien. In fact, there is a strong case for the argument that the real DD himself lasted only one issue. What did happen to all those cool buttons on his gloves and boots as designed by Bill Everett? They 'mysteriously disappeared' in #2, thats what.
The pattern repeats itself throughout the MU. Iron man 'suddenly' changes his armour. Sure. Captain Marvel suddenly gets a whole new wardrobe (Skrulls hate the Kree race). Ant Man 'becomes' Giant Man. yeah, right. Further investigation might leave is with only a small number of 'genuine' books. Nova, Man Thing and, um, The Human Fly. And Devil Dinosaur.
The conclusion is obvious. After producing only a handful of 'genuine' heroes, Marvel itself was infiltrated and taken over. 'Stan Lee' is a Skrull. Kirby, Ditko, even Miller. All of 'em. And Quesada. And if the whole 'batty' bullpen are Skruls, that must be a huge cover up operation. Publications like the Marvel Encyclopedia are produced to cover up the cracks. Which means all the contributors are 'fake'.
Sorry, but the inescapable fact is that...Kuljit must be a Skrull!
And worringly, if he's a Skrull, then people reading this very post, regular 'contributors' to the board, just may be as well!! At this point I'd just like to point out that I'm not a Skrull because a) I'd have just blown my own cover, and b) how can I be, I'm a goddam Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. |
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blacktyphoid Playing to the Camera
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 137
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Could Echo be a Skrull? |
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Pete wrote: |
Sorry, but the inescapable fact is that...Kuljit must be a Skrull! |
Now that you mention it, Kuljit does look Skrullish (I know this to be true 'cause I've actually met the guy). Trust me, his ears are rather pointy and his skin is, in fact, green.
Pete wrote: | And worringly, if he's a Skrull, then people reading this very post, regular 'contributors' to the board, just may be as well!! At this point I'd just like to point out that I'm not a Skrull because a) I'd have just blown my own cover, and b) how can I be, I'm a goddam Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. |
Great post, Pete. I thoroughly enjoyed it! You obviously graduated from the Oliver Stone School of Conspiracy Theory.
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jumonji Guardian Devil

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 636 Location: Too close to the Arctic circle
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Could Echo be a Skrull? |
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blacktyphoid wrote: | Pete wrote: |
Sorry, but the inescapable fact is that...Kuljit must be a Skrull! |
Now that you mention it, Kuljit does look Skrullish (I know this to be true 'cause I've actually met the guy). Trust me, his ears are rather pointy and his skin is, in fact, green.
Pete wrote: | And worringly, if he's a Skrull, then people reading this very post, regular 'contributors' to the board, just may be as well!! At this point I'd just like to point out that I'm not a Skrull because a) I'd have just blown my own cover, and b) how can I be, I'm a goddam Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. |
Great post, Pete. I thoroughly enjoyed it! You obviously graduated from the Oliver Stone School of Conspiracy Theory.
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Wait a second here, blacktyphoid... Are you a Skrull or aren't you? If not, I'm not speaking to you again... (I feel so used).  _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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Francesco Underboss
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Damn, isn't this whole "Sex with Skrulls" event a real rip-off.
In order to follow it you must also read all the related "tie-in" topics. |
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jumonji Guardian Devil

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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Francesco wrote: | Damn, isn't this whole "Sex with Skrulls" event a real rip-off.
In order to follow it you must also read all the related "tie-in" topics. |
Yes, we are now having sex with Skrulls in no fewer than three separate threads. But this is only the countdown to the big event: Actual Sex With Actual Skrulls, which will be featured in its own six part thread featuring Skrulls and heroes from the entire Marvel U. Needless to say, it will carry the MAX imprint and come with the kind of rating that will send shivers down the spine of every self-respecting Bible belt soccer mom. If Jerry Falwell were still alive, he'd be outraged only to secretely want to find out where the heck he could find one of those Skrulls for himself.
Stay tuned for the event that will change this message board forever. We promise not to do a retcon a few months down the line. Instead we'll be introducing The Aftermath: The Skrull Pregnancy in which one female heroine will be giving birth to a child with the power to bring peace to the whole galaxy. In a shocking twist, the child will also know that Peter Parker is, in fact, Spider-Man... _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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blacktyphoid Playing to the Camera
Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 137
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Could Echo be a Skrull? |
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[quote="jumonji"] blacktyphoid wrote: |
Wait a second here, blacktyphoid... Are you a Skrull or aren't you? If not, I'm not speaking to you again... (I feel so used).  |
Don't be so insulting! I shouldn't have to dignify your question with a response!
Btw, word on the street, er, I mean, word in the universe is that earth-girls are easy. Yep, you're the absolute, ever-lovin' life of the party! This tainted, yet highly titillating and extremely popular, reputation about Earth's females come from Skrulls and Krees and other aliens that have already infested your planet and have come away tasting and savouring the many delicious and delectable female dishes your Earth has to offer. Apparently, the aliens come back with especially wild stories about Earth's Nordic females (Scandinavians to be specific). (They also say that The French are over-rated, but that's another story.)
I got news for you, Christine, you may have only thought you've never been with another Skrull - but you what? Many of my brethren have told me otherwise...
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Francesco Underboss
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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jumonji wrote: | Francesco wrote: | Damn, isn't this whole "Sex with Skrulls" event a real rip-off.
In order to follow it you must also read all the related "tie-in" topics. |
Yes, we are now having sex with Skrulls in no fewer than three separate threads. But this is only the countdown to the big event: Actual Sex With Actual Skrulls |
What! I call shenanigans! You made me read topics of a thing that was actually "Foreplay with Skrulls" and yet it was titled "Sex with Skrulls" anyway?
Quote: | Apparently, the aliens come back with especially wild stories about Earth's Nordic females (Scandinavians to be specific). |
Naah. Those aliens are just BSing jerks who have been mislead by what the paeninsula looked like from space... |
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jumonji Guardian Devil

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 636 Location: Too close to the Arctic circle
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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Francesco wrote: | jumonji wrote: | Francesco wrote: | Damn, isn't this whole "Sex with Skrulls" event a real rip-off.
In order to follow it you must also read all the related "tie-in" topics. |
Yes, we are now having sex with Skrulls in no fewer than three separate threads. But this is only the countdown to the big event: Actual Sex With Actual Skrulls |
What! I call shenanigans! You made me read topics of a thing that was actually "Foreplay with Skrulls" and yet it was titled "Sex with Skrulls" anyway? |
Well, hmm. Yeah... On the other hand, that was all blacktyphoid's fault. I'm completely innocent in all of this. I swear!
Francesco wrote: | Quote: | Apparently, the aliens come back with especially wild stories about Earth's Nordic females (Scandinavians to be specific). |
Naah. Those aliens are just BSing jerks who have been mislead by what the paeninsula looked like from space... |
Regarding the shape of the peninsula... Well it was created by the gods of Asgård, after all, and they are quite virile...  _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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blacktyphoid Playing to the Camera
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Francesco wrote: |
Quote: | From blacktyphoid: Apparently, the aliens come back with especially wild stories about Earth's Nordic females (Scandinavians to be specific). |
Naah. Those aliens are just BSing jerks who have been mislead by what the paeninsula looked like from space... |
Francesco, how dare you insult my compatriots by calling them a bunch of "BSing jerks"? Let's be fair here, okay? We don't travel all the way to your backwater planet to call you a bunch of names! (To pillage and reak havoc: Absolutely. To name call: Never.) I expect the same degree of respect in return. Besides, you missed my point, dude; it wasn't the shape of the peninsula to which I was referring.
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jumonji Guardian Devil

Joined: 23 Sep 2007 Posts: 636 Location: Too close to the Arctic circle
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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blacktyphoid wrote: | Francesco wrote: |
Quote: | From blacktyphoid: Apparently, the aliens come back with especially wild stories about Earth's Nordic females (Scandinavians to be specific). |
Naah. Those aliens are just BSing jerks who have been mislead by what the paeninsula looked like from space... |
Francesco, how dare you insult my compatriots by calling them a bunch of "BSing jerks"? Let's be fair here, okay? We don't travel all the way to your backwater planet to call you a bunch of names! (To pillage and reak havoc: Absolutely. To name call: Never.) I expect the same degree of respect in return. Besides, you missed my point, dude; it wasn't the shape of the peninsula to which I was referring.
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See, this is what I like about Skrull guys. They are so civilized and respectful. While they do like to "pillage and wreak havoc," they never neglect to hold doors open for you, and even remember to stand when a lady enters the room. Now that's what I call class! _________________ The Other Murdock Papers |
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Francesco Underboss
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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blacktyphoid wrote: | Francesco wrote: |
Quote: | From blacktyphoid: Apparently, the aliens come back with especially wild stories about Earth's Nordic females (Scandinavians to be specific). |
Naah. Those aliens are just BSing jerks who have been mislead by what the paeninsula looked like from space... |
Francesco, how dare you insult my compatriots by calling them a bunch of "BSing jerks"? Let's be fair here, okay? We don't travel all the way to your backwater planet to call you a bunch of names! (To pillage and reak havoc: Absolutely. To name call: Never.) I expect the same degree of respect in return. Besides, you missed my point, dude; it wasn't the shape of the peninsula to which I was referring.
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I wasn't referring to your compatriots, darling, but to races other than the Skrulls. In fact, you yourself said "the aliens who come back". Now, I can't possibly believe that you refer to your brethren as "the aliens". |
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