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Daredevil #109 Discussion (SPOILERS)

 
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Kuljit Mithra
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Daredevil #109 Discussion (SPOILERS) Reply with quote

What did you think of the latest issue?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, starting at the end... Until I read one of the full-spoiler reviews out there (after reading the issue), it never occured to me that this could be the end of Dakota North. I never contemplated for a second that she might actually die. For one, it doesn't serve the story at all, and secondly, it doesn't fit with what Brubaker has said about Matt being in a different state emotionally after the close of this arc. I don't exactly see her dying as being helpful to his progress. She has also been a very popular character so far and a great addition to the cast. She serves the book better alive than dead, so killing her off is strategically unsound and detracts from the actual story. If it turns out I'm wrong here, I'll not only be very surprised, but a little disappointed as well.

Other thoughts: how the heck are they going to tie all this together in one issue? That's my biggest reason for being somewhat underwhelmed with this issue (my A is an A-). If they can, I have no reason to worry, but I thought there would be something of a hint of an answer by the end of this issue, and there isn't. Yes, we are introduced to Ben's son, and we find out that the government is involved (but we knew that already). But there's still no sign of what the big conspiracy is all about. If this gets resolved in a satisfactory way in the next issue, then I will like this issue much more in retrospect.

I like that the full cast is used in this issue. Becky actually has quite a few lines for the first time in a long time (and was I the only one who noticed her freckles returning?), and Foggy gets a decent amount of panel space as well. So Dakota has a crush on Matt? Or is that just Becky doing a little too much reading between the lines? If it's the former, and if Dakota dies (which I think is unlikely), she would be the first Murdock girlfriend to be killed for even just thinking about it.

Senses nit-picking: I would have preferred Matt's internal monologue in Slaughter's office to have revealed that he noticed the helicopter before the laser sights. Why? Because it makes much more sense that way. Whatever that laser is doing that he's picking up on should be extremely subtle and he shouldn't notice it without "looking" for it, especially against a backdrop of a loud helicopter (which he didn't notice?). I'm also not convinced you can detect a laser beam that way, but I would think that it might create minute amounts of ozone in the air which he would definitely pick up on. That might be the change in the air he's talking about here. Well, in my mind it is! Laughing A tad geeky, I know, but I just want things to be plausible whenever possible. I want heightened senses, not voodoo.

UPDATED: I recant most of that nitpick. I reread the issue, and it's the fact that Slaughter isn't afraid of him that tips DD off to the outside threat. Suddenly, I'm totally liking that scene and Brubaker stays on the top of my list for best - i.e. most believable - senses writer ever (despite the Matt vs Danny brawl back in the day). Wink

All in all, a very good issue that leaves me somewhat unfulfilled by the end, but not all that worried about Dakota. Considering the slowly declining sales for this book, killing off Dakota is the last thing Brubaker should want to do. And for what? Shock value? This story doesn't need it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure Dakota's wounds aren't fatal... just the way it was drawn. She's been written really well this arc, so I hope this isn't the last we see of her.

I liked how Grotto "appeared" in this issue... good to hear him, anyway.

I liked how some of the pages were coloured this issue... reminded me of how Hollingsworth used colour in the Maleev issues.

Not sure how everything will tie up in one issue... but at least it's not gonna drag on.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuljit Mithra wrote:
I'm pretty sure Dakota's wounds aren't fatal... just the way it was drawn. She's been written really well this arc, so I hope this isn't the last we see of her.

Another thing, aren't there also rumors of a new Dakota North mini? The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Dakota will not die anytime soon.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jumonji wrote:
Kuljit Mithra wrote:
I'm pretty sure Dakota's wounds aren't fatal... just the way it was drawn. She's been written really well this arc, so I hope this isn't the last we see of her.

Another thing, aren't there also rumors of a new Dakota North mini? The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Dakota will not die anytime soon.

It wouldn't make sense to have her die. Brubaker seems to have worked hard to bring back Dakota North as a character, so to kill her off twenty-something issues later just doesn't seem like the thing to do. Years ago he brought Holly back into Catwoman, and he had her shot. That affected Selina greatly, and Holly survived and became a much strong character. So I think Dakota is going to become an even bigger presence in Daredevil.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Dimetre"]
jumonji wrote:
Kuljit Mithra wrote:

It wouldn't make sense to have her die.


True. But keep in mind that we're talking about Daredevil - as history shows, it's not a safe comic to hang out if you're a woman.

As Becky Blake said: "The boy's poison, girlfriend. Stay away, you know what's good for you."

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blacktyphoid wrote:
True. But keep in mind that we're talking about Daredevil - as history shows, it's not a safe comic to hang out if you're a woman.

I see your point, but I'd like to think that Brubaker isn't quite the hack that Chichester (who killed Glorianna O'Breen) or Kevin Smith (who killed Karen Page) are. I'm not going to lump Frank Miller or Denny O'Neill in those lists, since Miller, as the creator of Elektra, could do with her as he wished, and Heather Glenn was just a broken woman by the time O'Neill came along, and it was a very effective story.

And yes, I know. Brubaker saw fit to kill Captain America. Although it's been 15 issues since Cap died, I still believe that Steve Rogers is going to come back. (Think me a fool then.) In the meantime, Bucky rocks!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I think we have with Dakota is a character who fits in that "strong female" segment so many fans are complaining about is missing in comics. She is also a character who has been used to very great effect in Daredevil and has become a fan favorite. She is a good story-telling engine and a great complement to the cast.

What writer, let alone a great one like Bru, would use her death in a storyline that doesn't need it for its own effectiveness rather than keep her around to tell more stories? No, I'm still not worried for her life. Her immediate well-being? Yeah, she's not going anywhere exciting for the next couple of weeks.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got done Reading #109 and really liked it as I bought #107 and #108 as well too.. But from the Ending about Dakota I dont think she is dead... Maybe will have a long going Injury but Not death any time soon...
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