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Francesco
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 Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: Comments on the article on the upcoming #110 at marvel.com |
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http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.4505.Daredevil~colon~_Heading_North
Intriguing article/interview. I appreciated what Brubaker said, that he took the opportunity of this cooperation with Rucka to look at the character from different points of view.
About the preview pages, it is good to see that DD is going to kick some real butt besides the usual "okay, now he goes into a bar/alley and beats up thugs", (which has become a little repetitive, let's say it), hope the caption boxes don't remove too much from the awesomeness of it. Also, is it me or the art is becoming better and better with each issue?
My only problem is what Bru said at the end:
"The final issue is a bit harsh on Matt, but it's been a long time coming for him, so I think all DD fans will love the final scenes of this issue."
What? Again?!? Damn man. We've had, like, tens of issues with Matt either manipulated or toyed with by his antagonists, not to mention the ending to the previous storyarc which saw him as a complete loser. Let our hero come out on top, sometimes! |
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Isaac
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And what about this?
"Lady Bullseye," proclaims Brubaker. "Who is she, and why is she leading the Hand on a killing tour of New York City, and what does this have to do with Elektra's death and reveal as a Skrull?"
I hope it's not what I'm thinking... Ideas? |
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Francesco
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Nah, I think she's a completely new character.
Also, I have a little theory. I think she's the "mistress" the Hand ninja was referring to after saving Foggy from the mobsters.
Skrull-Elektra, in fact, had no reason to order the protection of Foggy. Lady Bullseye, on the other hand, could've done it for yet unrevealed reasons. |
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MarcWagz
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is the timeframe where elektra is a skrull clearly defined anywhere?
I keep hearing she was a skrull and it is ridiculous to assume she was always a skrull throughout DD v2.
She had to have been normal elektra in The Murdock Papers, no?
It was a little weird that she said she "knew the way to get by Matt's Radar as described by the Kingpin" when there wasn't actually such a way, but she seemed to be mainly for helping him the entire time. |
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jumonji
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| MarcWagz wrote: | | is the timeframe where elektra is a skrull clearly defined anywhere? |
Well, judging by SI and the tie-ins, she's been a Skrull since before New Avengers #1, which in turn took place some time before Out in DD (correct me if I'm wrong...).
| MarcWagz wrote: | I keep hearing she was a skrull and it is ridiculous to assume she was always a skrull throughout DD v2.
She had to have been normal elektra in The Murdock Papers, no? |
I thought Bendis was a great writer on DD, but continuity is not his best event. I'm really a little suspicious of his claims that he had everything planned out for SI as early as he says he did, because The Murdock Papers arc doesn't really make any sense. Then again, The Murdock Papers (though a fun ride of a story) made very little sense continuity-wise even without taking the Skrull stuff into consideration. Elektra - or Skrullektra? - collecting information about DD's senses for the Kingpin going back to Born Again makes me wonder if Bendis ever read Born Again, though I know he surely must have.
| MarcWagz wrote: | | It was a little weird that she said she "knew the way to get by Matt's Radar as described by the Kingpin" when there wasn't actually such a way, but she seemed to be mainly for helping him the entire time. |
Aside from the continuity goofs, Bendis's handling of DD's senses is another big pet peeve of mine from his run. They were just kind of flaky in a transcendental ESP sort of way with the radar being whatever seemed fitting at any given time.
Oh, and welcome to the board by the way! 
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Francesco
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Bendis said that the Elektra Matt met in the rooftop in the Out storyarc was the real one.
Not sure about the one in the Murdock Papers. Instead, it is practically certain that Elektra had been already replaced by a Skrull during the events of #88.
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It was a little weird that she said she "knew the way to get by Matt's Radar as described by the Kingpin" when there wasn't actually such a way
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Actually, there are ways to get around Matt's radar. Realizing that requires a little bit of lateral thinking, though. |
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jumonji
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| Francesco wrote: | Bendis said that the Elektra Matt met in the rooftop in the Out storyarc was the real one.
Not sure about the one in the Murdock Papers. Instead, it is practically certain that Elektra had been already replaced by a Skrull during the events of #88. |
I think I've heard mentioned that Bendis has said that the Elektra in The Murdock Papers is the real one too, but that doesn't really fit with other things he's said about SI. My trust level for Bendis when it comes to handling continuity-heavy stories apparently spanning years of real time is fairly low at this point. Trying to connect the dots here will be quite a challenge since you have events contradicting each other.
In reference to another thread, I think the Lady Bullseye in DD #88 theory is an interesting one, though I'm sure that was intended to be Elektra when Bru first wrote it. By leaving things left unsaid you can work things like that in if you want to, which is pretty neat.
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Francesco
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: |
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Well, but if Elektra has been a skrull since before NA #1 , then the one in The Murdock Papers is a skrull, too. Matt in fact appears in the first issues of New Avengers (and mentions having troubles with his secret identity). Immediately after The Murdock Papers he is sent to Ryker's, so there's no way that storyline happens before NA #1.
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Hey jumonji, what's up. Are you back in town? |
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MarcWagz
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| Francesco wrote: | Bendis said that the Elektra Matt met in the rooftop in the Out storyarc was the real one.
Not sure about the one in the Murdock Papers. Instead, it is practically certain that Elektra had been already replaced by a Skrull during the events of #88.
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It was a little weird that she said she "knew the way to get by Matt's Radar as described by the Kingpin" when there wasn't actually such a way
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Actually, there are ways to get around Matt's radar. Realizing that requires a little bit of lateral thinking, though. |
oops Ill bite my tounge there, what I meant to say was Kingpin could not have shown elektra how to surpass the radar, as the Murdock papers were not real.
What is this way, or are you just speculating that there is probably a way, which there probably is. |
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Francesco
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| It's a little off topic, mind if I tell you by PM? |
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MarcWagz
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off topic? I don't see how but I guess...
All Im saying is that either kingpin knew how to bypass Matt's radar all along, or elektra is running around with a secret that doesn't work.
the prior makes no sense, or else the KP would never have lost FTF to Matt in the first place.
The only other option is Elektra is lying. |
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