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I am going to vote for MCain. Who are you going to vote for?
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train · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:06 am Post subject:

If there was ever a topic that is ripe for a webmaster lock, this is it. What I post below is in no way meant to be disparaging to anyone that feels differently. It's just my opinion and not meant to stir up retalitory posts. That being said....

Gotta be Obama for me. McCain was my horse back in 2000. I really liked the guy. But the McCain of 2008 is a hollow shell of the man that ran against George W. I don't think that Obama is the messiah...there are several of his policies that I have some reservations about, but it seems that when I look at the sum of each of the candidates, Obama gets my vote.

james castle · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:47 am Post subject:

In the spirit of doing the impossible (keeping a political thread civil) even I will post something nice and reasonable.

I'm Canadian so I can't vote but if I could it'd be for Obama.

That aside, I'm impressed that train (or anyone for that matter) actually switched camps. I've always thought that, for the most part, people are liberal or conservative and that's that. In theory people are supposed to weigh the candidates and vote for who's best at the time. I'm amazed that theory is being put into practice at least by one person.
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jumonji · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:26 pm Post subject:

I think we'll be able to keep this thread civil, no problem.

I'm Swedish so I obviously can't vote either. If I could, I'd definitely vote for Obama. I don't think he's perfect (from a European perspective. the more free trade-leaning ideas of most reasonable Republicans would probably be better in some respects), but after having lived in the States for a combined total of three years my sympathies lie with the candidate I think would be better for the American people. Then again, I've never supported a Republican candidate for president. My values when it comes to women's and gay rights are just too darn Northern European, I suppose.

There's also the Palin factor to consider. With McCain's age being what it is, you need a VP candidate who could actually rule the most powerful country in the world. The "I can see Russia from my house" bit just won't cut it. She didn't even know what the Bush doctrine was.
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rgj · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject:

double post
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rgj · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject:

Obama.

Of course, I live in Texas, so casting a vote for Democrat is like spitting into the wind. Luckily, we have 49 other states that have a say so. But, all you can do is your part in the process.

Now, I'll just leave the discussion here. Like train said, this thread is very ripe. I better go before I offend someone with a Joe the Plumber joke. Yee Ha! I'd hate to go all Bill Maher on you.
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Darediva · Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject:

This will be the first time I've publicly said who I have voted for. Yeah, already have cast my ballot for Obama.

I'm with train. I would have gone with McCain in 2000 over Bush any day of the week. My YellowDawgDemocrat daddy would be spinning in his grave if he knew I once voted for Nixon, too.

Then again, I've voted for Carter, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton (in the Arkansas primary elections). I don't vote along party lines like my parents did. I try to look at the person I think will do the best job. (Ok, so I was 18 when I voted for Nixon. So sue me.)

My personal opinion is that you should vote for the candidate of your choice. I won't try to tell you who to vote for, and won't let you tell me who to vote for. Fair enough? The only people I hold issue with are the ones who say they won't vote, then bellyache about who won.

Like you, rgj, voting for Obama in Arkansas is almost a waste of time. Most people here will give you the reason they won't is because he's for gun control. I don't believe that for a moment.
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james castle · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 9:32 am Post subject:

harryhausen · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:16 am Post subject:

Obama. He's as close as we can get to a real Socialist (in this country). I really liked Kucinich better, but I reckon he's too short?

I happen to live in North Carolina - shockingly, a "battleground state" this year - and it's been really exciting. We've got lots of interesting state and local races, too. It's wild to see the uber-conservative Bible Belt turning away from the current Republican party with such speed; 30,000 people at the Obama rally here several months ago.....

Now if I could just get Ollie Queen as the mayor.........

jumonji · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:20 am Post subject:

james castle · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject:

jumonji · Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject:

To JC: First of all, I don't care if you vote or not, that's your choice. I was merely reacting against bringing in Hitler and Bush when it was clear that Darediva was referring to elections where you have a choice to vote and then decide not to.

I have no interest in getting into a discussion of the morals of not voting. And, getting into the details of what event prevented someone from voting is not terribly interesting and it also means missing the big picture. I guess what I object to is a "screw the system" attitude from people who make no effort to change the system. If a person makes that effort some other way, such as through blogging or posting videos on YouTube or whatever, that's perfectly fine.

The people who don't care about anything outside of themselves or have no interest in learning anything or participating in anything are not morally objectionable, as far as I see it, they're just not the kind of people I'd like to hang out with.

One last point though: Is voting symbolic? If you're an Obama fan living in Alaska, then your vote is symbolic. It won't count in the end. That's one of the many reasons I think the electoral college system is crazy. On the other hand, how much does anyone's vote really count? When I go to vote for Parliament, my vote is one out of several million. My vote is counted, by will it really affect the outcome of the election? Probably not. But if everyone stopped voting because of this, then what kind of situation have we created?
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train · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:39 am Post subject:

jumonji · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 10:50 am Post subject:

train · Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject:

The Message Board is currently in read-only mode, as the software is now out of date. Several features and pages have been removed. If/When I get time I intend to re-launch the board with updated software.