Daredevil Message Board

[Dash]

Perhaps were putting a little too much thought into this.

[Francesco]

Naah. What's the point of being a DD fanboy, then?

[james castle]

Well, I think Dash is right wrt "how much sound can DD really stand?". The problem with "this happened in issue X and therefore DD is like Y" type arguments is that they ignore the nature of comics. The DD/Bullseye/train thing was cool but surely the train disabling DD was just a handly plot device for the time. If DD really was disabled everytime a train or something like it went by he'd be useless virtually all the time. The fact that it happened once (or twice) while Miller was writing doesn't make it a FACT about DD. It just makes it part of Miller's interpretation or the character.

As for the thing I was saying, maybe it's just that DD doesn't usually fight big baddies. The Avengers (even the basically human ones) are professional big baddy fighters. At least they're used to it. I'd like to see a DD issue where he's fighting some street punks and he's like "whatever, I fought Super Skrulls last week. this is literally nothing".
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[Jim B.]

I was always under the impression that Matt has learned to control his senses somewhat so he is not over whelmed by them (especially when it comes to his hearing and sense of smell) If he didn't every loud noise and just noise period would incapacitate him.
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[jumonji]

See, I absolutely agree that the subway scene is exaggerated, as I mentioned already. And it's totally true that he should be okay with just regular noises (though I must admit that even I'm bothered by passing trains). However, an increased sensitivity to noise is still part of the character's basic make-up, even though writers adjust that level to suit their needs. And, it seems to me that a full-out battle scene is one of the most chaotic and noisy situations you could ever find yourself in.

There's also the factor of keeping track of where everyone is simultaneously. I actually find it more plausible that he'd be able to hold his own against twenty guys than do so against fifty guys with ten people on his side, because of the added strain of knowing what the heck everyone is doing at the same time (as compared to just plain hitting everything that comes at you).

And yeah, comics are notoriously inconsistent, but that doesn't mean you can't wish for writers to try to stay within certain bounds. There's also the style of the book and the character to consider. DD doesn't feel like the kind of character who fights extra-terrestrials to me. It breaks the semi-realistic atmosphere that's been created around the character and his book.
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[Dash]

Daredevil has powers that can be interpreted in different ways by different writers. We've had this discussion before.

I find it hard to believe that Daredevil would not have control over his hearing or other senses. Without this control, his powers would be virtually useless. But it's been established that he does have control.

This control isn't absolute though. Many times it shows his powers getting over loaded. Like in Guardian Devil, but once he has time to think, he can usually overcome it. This is Daredevils weakness.

But one of the things that I like about Daredevil is that he isn't an Avenger. His powers are relatively weak compared to other super heroes. He's a very human character in the Marvel universe. With characters like Spiderman...Hulk...Iron Man...Thor...you think to yourself "how can they win". With Daredevil you think "What can he do to not lose".

[PlanBFromOuterSpace]

As much I found it to be completely unreadable the second time around (though I remember totally digging it at the time), I think that "Onslaught" was structured pretty well for a mega-event. You had your big teams fighting the main threat, the spin-off teams (X-Force, X-Factor, anything that started with an X) and team characters with their own books (Cap, Iron Man, etc.) dealing with their own subplots and maybe taking on the second and third-in-commands, and then everyone else just fighting Sentinels that month.

In that particular crossover, Daredevil wasn't involved at ALL, but it was nice to see the street-level heroes like Punisher and Spidey pretty much working crowd control, as they had absolutely no business dealing with any sort of cosmic or universe-threatening....ummm, threat. I certainly prefer this to the "let's jam every character into the scene, whether they belong there or not" method used in "Secret Invasion". I disagree though with whoever said that Hawkeye had no business being in a fight of that magnitude. Yeah, he's more of a regular guy than most of the heroes out there, but he had a pretty solid story arc throughout the event, starting with the Skrulls making him think his wife was back, then having her turn out to be a Skrull, before showing that she WAS still alive after all at the end. They're going to have to retcon that like a mofo to get it to make sense, but it should be interesting at least. I had really, REALLY hoped that he'd gotten the kill shot on the queen in SI #7 though. Stupid Osborne...

While DD popping up in the big battle scenes doesn't take away from the story, it also doesn't ADD anything to it, which is almost worse. Was "Secret Invasion" going to pick up any more readers because DD appeared in the background in 3 panels? I doubt it. I'm sure that it was more of an editorial and/or artistic decision than anything to throw everyone and their mother into the mix, as Bendis was THE DD writer for years and is certainly more respectful of the character. In fact, I don't think DD even had any lines, so it's possible that Bendis didn't even know he was there. I suppose I'll have to check out Wizard or the imminent script book for "commentary".

I was also pretty puzzled at the group shots where everyone's posing like they've got each other's backs, including DD and Bullseye, who are always thiiiiiiiis close to murdering each other. I think the original poster and I have discussed that several times, as there were so many OTHER odd pairings too, and there really SHOULD have been more "friendly fire" incidents.

Before I forget, is anyone else dying to see a Bullseye/Elektra Superhero Squad two-pack? Those things are AWESOME. The Punisher/Blade set may be the most inappropriate ones so far, followed closely by Punisher/Deadpool...and Punisher/Ghost Rider. I'm starting to see a pattern emerge...