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Kuljit Mithra · Hardcore Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1530 Location: Canada

Discussion for Marvel's Daredevil S1E7.
Please only discuss elements in this episode (or previous episodes if it applies) but not anything that happens in episodes after this one.

Acerbus · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:33 am Post subject:

Probably my favorite episode of the series thus far. Scott Glenn was pitch-perfect as Stick. I love the focus on the Yakuza and the obvious allusions to The Hand.

The only thing I'm shaking my head at a bit is the choice to forego Matt's adolescent revenge against The Fixer and his thugs. Maybe they show that later on in flashback, but this episode seems to suggest that after Jack died, Matt was trained by Stick and... that was basically it. I like the father/son dynamic between Stick and Matt, but I think they would be stronger if he had taken revenge against Fixer, and Stick's disappointment in that fact is what caused Stick to abandon him.

Maybe they thought having a little kid running around in a ski mask, dropping thugs would look too ridiculous? I can see that being the case. Still, bit of a misstep, in my opinion.

Guardian-Devil · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:52 am Post subject:

The only think i want to say about this episode (the best so far) is...

'nuff said...
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Kuljit Mithra · Hardcore Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 1530 Location: Canada

"Stick"

-So good. Scott Glenn is amazing.
-young Matt is also great
-hint that Maggie is still alive
-War is Coming
-Is that Stone at the end?
-Best episode so far
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Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

Dimetre · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:14 pm Post subject:

Scott Glenn is absolutely perfect as Stick. I really like that it was Stick that convinced Matt to become a fighter. According to this show, Matt would never have chosen that route had Stick not come along.

Obviously Charlie Cox is doing a great job as Matt, but I'm finding something about his performance distracting. I've noticed it before this episode too. Early in this installment, Foggy is leaving the office, but turns back and says, "Hey Matty." Matt looks up from his papers. He looks up at Foggy. I've noticed Cox turning towards Rosario Dawson a few times before this as well. I can buy him turning his head when someone calls him, but not turning towards them. Sometimes he even seems to make eye contact.

This is a rather large distraction in an otherwise great performance.

Mike Murdock · Golden Age Joined: 08 Sep 2014 Posts: 1750

While I don't know if a seeing person could ever perfectly portray a blind person, I thought he got it right more than wrong. He's often doing exactly what you described (just turning an ear or not looking straight on). He also does a good job of feeling or holding out a hand to shake rather than actually reaching for someone's hand. If they slip up sometimes, that's understandable, particularly since Matt Murdock is more than capable of actually turning to directly face you and could slip up as well (on the other hand, his natural instinct probably wouldn't be to face you since he gains nothing by it, but he's probably training himself as Daredevil to face you so you buy that he can see).
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rgj · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 4:16 pm Post subject:

I found this episode to be one of the weakest.
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chamber · Flying Blind Joined: 11 Mar 2015 Posts: 10 Location: UK

Loved Scott Glenn as Stick and the way they portrayed their relationship. Nice little tease towards a future storyline as well.

rgj · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:12 pm Post subject:

So, young Matt is at a Catholic orphanage. I wonder if the nun is his mom. I think it was a misstep to follow the movie. Now, Matt has an entire history in an orphanage, instead of being a high school senior (Lee) or college freshman (Milller) when his dad died. Matt's revenge on The Fixer is also lost.

I also believe they over did Stick's senses. He has normal senses. He can't taste an ice cream like Matt can. Or hear a man dying. Oh, well, still good show. This was a bad episode, but the show is good.

BTW, having binged and seen all episodes, I kind of forget what was where and came before as I post randomly on all the episodes post. My biggest fear is giving away spoilers.
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The Overlord · Paradiso Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 1095

Dimetre · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:28 pm Post subject:

I just wanted to add that I felt that the scene with young Matt and Stick on the bench could have been shortened quite a bit without losing much.

MarcWagz · Flying Blind Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Posts: 83

felt like Stick bailed on Matt too soon.
This is a problem with Matt being such a young kid, obviously he is going to get attached to you even if you beat him with your Stick.

Still Matt could have benefitted from a lot more training, but I guess he would have been brainwashed by Stick at that point and wouldn't have become the character we enjoy.

Clayton Blind Love · Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:56 pm Post subject:

I made it through 7 episodes this past weekend (3 nights) and I'm probably not attempting anymore until Friday. I'm just too busy with my non-profit taxi business during the week (kids!).

Up to this episode, I would say that 4 & 7 are the standouts. I think 3 and maybe 5 were the weaker ones. 1 and 2 have no right at all to be as good as they are for tv. These things are supposed to take time to find their feet, but Marvel obviously knows what to do here. If I'm to rate the series up to now, I'd give it 4 1/2 stars (out of 5).
Funny, I think they had to make the movie 1st to create a tangible item of "what not to do" in order to make something like this happen. Thanks Fox!
Hopefully, I complete the viewing by this Sunday pm.

C.
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Dayle88 · Playing to the Camera Joined: 25 Mar 2015 Posts: 140

All the other obvious positive points aside I really like what they are doing plot wise. So far we've had Matt up against the Russians, a small introduction to Fisk as a man and the Kingpin. Then he destroys the Russians and pins it (and the murder of corrupt cops) on Matt while he finds his next target up the ladder and who else is involved. This episode goes in a different direction and gives as a bookend to Matt versus the Russians and lets his current negative position thanks to Fisk settle in as he helps Stick out. It gives us a small break to contemplate what Matt has accomplished, how little he knows about what he is up against and does it by throwing an entirely different set of stakes into the mix so the show doesn't let up for a second.

Scott Glenn was incredible and the scenes between him and Matt, young and old, fighting and learning were as much a highlight as the hallway scene at the end of two.

I'm more watching in amazement than taking it all in right now. It's a similar thing that happens to me when I read an incredible comic or book. That's probably the highest praise I could personally give the show.

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