Daredevil Message Board

[rgj]

Marvel's vice chairman, Peter Cuneo, expresses disappointment in ELEKTRA film.

http://www.fool.com/news/commentary/2005/commentary05012404.htm?source=eptyholnk303100&logvisit=y&npu=y&bounce=y&bounce2=y

My quesiton to the board is this: Will Daredevil 2 see the light of day? Look into your magic 8 ball and share your thoughts.

rgj

[Pete]

(sighs)
Well, I'll always thought there could be one. Now, after reading this link, the signs point more and more to 'yes'.

This guy actually says something like 'we've (Marvel) had nine successful movies in a row' and then something like 'if it makes money, there will be sequels'. Considering the profit made on the first movie (worldwide sales plus DVD sales and rental) and the fact that Elektra is a spinoff and not a sequel, I should imagine that when MSJ's Ghost Rider trip is over, they'll have had the major casting and location rec's already underway.

I believe we'll get Mr Fear as the bad guy in some kind of reworking of Guardian Devil and a release date of around Feb 07. I nominate rgj's place for everyone here to get together to pop open the champagne.

Hey, you asked.

[Goddess0Whim]

i say why not, they made they're money, and they are happy.
personally i am happy with the DC, and would be satisfied if that was the only thing that was left, but they say more will happen if money is made. and like Pete said, Eleektra is a spinoff not a sequel. the studio separtated the character as far as they could from the DD movie before releasing it and while making it, so there is not as much of an expectance now that a DD2 will be dependant on Elektra's revenew.
_________________
The world of Dial-Up Net SUCKS!!!!

[Lonewolf]

We better get Daredevil 2, the first one was great *atleast I enjoyed it *

[theVman]

With Affleck and Garner now dating I'd say now is the time to do if they wated to

But would ELEKTRA return in DD2?????
_________________
"While viewing the extinction of the human race from the top of a hill, I would dig a hole in the earth and ejaculate into it over and over."
Ring, Koji Suzuki, 2003 (english translation), page 91

[james castle]

I punched "Outlook not so good". Obviously, I don't think there's gonna be a DD2. At the same time, I admit that maybe there might be one. Even I'm not so crazy enought to say that I'm 100% sure there won't be another DD. On that note, everyone who said "yes, definetly" is a little crazy. I know a lot of people really want there to be a DD2 but there's no reason anyone should take it as a given at this point.

The argument that everyone trots of as to why there's going to be a DD2 is this: if the first one makes money then why not make a second? As long as Marvel's making money they're happy right? I think this view is simplistic for a few reasons:

1. Marvel has to have some sort of long term view point here. There's no doubt that comic book movies are doing very well right now but the fact is that if the various comic companies/studies keep putting out trash (Catwoman/Elektra/etc.) people are going to stop going. Consider pop music for a second. Music companies put out horribly, awful pop music because it sells. The thing is, though, it's always short term. Think of the boy bands. Remember when boy bands were all the rage? But they're gone now. The weight of their own suckiness crushed them. Bye bye boy bands. But wait, the pop music industry is still there. How? Because they just change style. When boy bands collapse another pop genre (i.e. "punk" female singers) show up.

What's the point? Well, unlike the music industry, Marvel can't change genres. If the popularity of comic movies dries up (as a result of the comic companies/studios making literally anything as long as they'll make money) that's it. No more movies for Marvel. They *have* to know that and have to have some sort of respect for quality outside of profits. So it's not all about money.

2. This is a little more DD specific: fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me a third time....comon, no one's gonna go see a third crap movie. Yes, the original DD made money. But remember that it had a cool trailer and opened vitually unopposed. Plus, it was pre-Catwoman/The Hulk/Punisher. Most importantly it was pre-Elektra. I understand that as far as actual content goes Elektra tries to distance itself from DD. However, this isn't the case with marketing. All the ads I've seen directly reference DD. And look at the result it had on Elektra's box office showing. And now it bombed. Look, I know lots of people on this board liked the movie but you have to admit (most because it's fact) that DD and Elektra have both been panned by the critics. Would Marvel really try to make a third one after the first two got trashed?

3. Back to the first point, kinda. Okay, even assuming that it is all about short term profit (which I've argued it isn't), you gotta admit that the amount of profit counts too. Look, okay, imagine you could sell lemons in such a way as to make 10 cents a lemon. At the same time you can sell apples and make 20 cents an apple. What are you going to do? Sell apples. Marvel doesn't have an infinate amount of resources. They can't go around making every movie that would make any profit. That would be 1) impossible and 2) stupid because the market would be flooded. No, no, Marvel has to pick and choose and release 2-4 movies a year. Which ones are they going to release? One's they think they're going to make a lot of money on. An argument could be made that DD2 would make a profit. But you gotta admit it wouldn't be a very big profit. So why should Marvel bother. Why wouldn't they just make a sequal in one of their successful franchises. Or why not try to make something new to make a brand new franchise. The money is in the franchises and between DD and Elektra, the DD/Elektra franchise is dead.

Therefore: outlook not so good.
_________________
JC

So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing?

[EightiesCartoon]

I state here and now that I’m an optimist, and I hope sometime soon a DD2 appears.
I also state here that I believe money talks, and bull…well, you know the rest
The link provided by RGJ is a great argument as to how the big gun execs think, and that is, simply, with this symbol: $
And hey, I'm all for capitalism
To counter James' points regarding the profitability of a DD2, check out this link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3245419.stm

[james castle]

First off, Cartoon, the link you provide has virtually nothing to do with what we're talking about. Okay, so the giant media conglomerate that happens to own the studio that made DD made a lot of money? Um. So what?

I can see how it's vaguely related insofar as it does give a nod to DVD sales (along with advertising (?)). And yes, DVD sales are something to take into consideration. But the fact is that better movies are also going to have better DVD sales. So, you know, it doesn't change my argument.

As for everything being dictated by money...I agree. But I'm saying, even on those terms Marvel and Fox would be nuts to make another DD because they could just as easily use that money to make a movie that they thought they would make more money on.

Look, capitalism (as silly as it is), isn't entirely random. Over time the things that are good or at least popular are the things that last. DD was neither good nor popular. Therefore, I'm better the franchise is dead.
_________________
JC

So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing?

[EightiesCartoon]

[daredevil99x]

Not going to happen. Money talks, but it evidently didn't talk loud enough. MSJ's Ghost Rider is going to blow. I mean, who cares about Ghose Rider? That movie's not going to make any money, and if MSJ's career tanks who will push for a Daredevil 2? We want it, but that's not enough.
_________________
"Why should I be frightened of dying?
There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime."

[Goddess0Whim]

who cared about Blade? i certainly don't? atleast in comic book form. and i can say the same thing about Ghost Rider.
i honestly think the best thing ever done with him was when he posed as the Spirit of Christmas in a What The?!
one way or the other the fact that they were able to turn a not so hot to begin with character into a pretty hot character in the movies cause he didn't fit the mold in any way might appeal once again. Blade 2 & 3 didn't get as many rave reviews, sure. but i know many a people who absolutely LOVE the 1st one, and still can't understand what-so-ever how he could fit into a comic book universe.
maybe they can do the same with Ghost Rider, because he's more on the fringes than most, more so than DD, and almost as much as Blade.
_________________
The world of Dial-Up Net SUCKS!!!!

[james castle]

Who cares about Blade? No one.

Who cares about vampires? Everybody. Vampires rock and people love them and that's why there's a blade franchise.
_________________
JC

So why can't you see the funny side?
Why aren't you laughing?

[Goddess0Whim]

that was my point, watching a kick butt vampire was better than reading about one.
and no one atleast that i knows cares to read about the Spirit of Vengence, that could really do some spectacularlly horrible things, maybe more people would care to watch those spectacularly horrible things and Ghost Rider won't bomb.
_________________
The world of Dial-Up Net SUCKS!!!!

[rgj]

[TheManWithoutFear]